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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by bomaye Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:08 am
S1 E8
Wooooow, Saru
Wooooow, Saru
- Spoiler:
- Stamets called Tilly "captain." Was he really "jumbled", or is he like time-jumping too?
- Of course, the beautiful and pristine planet has a sinister way of going about its business.
- The freaky capabilities of Saru's race. They were the prey, what the fuck do the predators look like o.o
- I didn't realize that L'Rell, the female Klingon who was backing the albino Klingon was also the same one that tortured Tyler and was also the same one that just released the Admiral. I wonder what her strategy or end-game really is, she seems like she's playing everybody.
- Klingons seem to have way too much cloaking at this point in time (and don't look remotely human-like for the era <.<)
- Saru feeling the lack of fear for the first time
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Enail Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:50 am
I haven't given up, I swear! I'm just going to be behind for a while, computer problems (multiple).
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by bomaye Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:07 pm
You're in luck! New episodes don't come out until January so you have some time to catch up 
S1 E9
S1 E9
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- I dunno man, Burnham insists it's logical for her to be there but then she uses ship schematic GPS to plot out their path on the Klingon ship anyways, I assume there's some commando-level badass on board that could've done that
- Her fight with Kol was pretty cool though.
- And I was nooooooot expecting them to be finished with the Klingon Ship of the Dead stuff so early o.O
- Also, there it is, Tyler's under J'Rell's control or something (totally tortured him for real though, after faking us out with Admiral Cornwall
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Enail Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:09 pm
Finally getting back to catching up! Not going to be quite there by Sunday's episode, though, but I'm working on it!
S1E7
That felt almost like an episode of Star Trek!
S1E7
- Spoiler:
-ain't no party like a Discovery party, coz a Discovery party... is 0.0016% more lively than in previous Star Treks...
There's flashing lights and everything!
-Stamets is getting weeiiiiird, not sure being the new tardigrade is good for him. And I like him and the doctor together reasonably well, but they do kind of feel stiff. Nowhere near as much as Burnham and Tyler, though, those two have zero chemistry and I have absolutely no interest in their relationship. Can't wait till he's revealed to be a traitor, that always improves a romance plot!
-the mating habits of the space whale, that was waaaaaay too on the nose
-Mudd?!?
-TIME LOOP EPISODE, FUCK YEAH!
-I feel like they just use Saru as the Vulcan/Android/etc. rule-stickler most of the time, but you'd think fatal time loops are exactly the kind of thing that would ping his danger Spidey sense, or even if he can't sense something wrong himself, seems like he should pick up on Burnham's reaction.
-They've only got half an hour till it repeats, whyyyyy are they spending this much time dancing and talking about their feelings, priorities, people!
-swallowing the torture-murder-ball, that's pretty badass. Bet she's wishing they'd done it one of the loops where he just used a phaser or something.
-how is the Captain's chair command system non-essential???
-that ending, holy shit, TOS!
Next week (many, many weeks ago), a Saru episode, yay!
That felt almost like an episode of Star Trek!
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Enail Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:33 am
S1E8 &9
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-Away team and alien contact, feels kinda old-school Trek
-a bit disappointing as far as a Saru character episode, it didn't seem like we got that much meaningful insight into him or that what we got was organic from what happened
-Everyone on this show is so individualistic, just following their hearts all over the place and barely ever thinking about their mission or their actions as part of a larger structure
-kind of confused what's going on with the Klingon scheming, honestly
-why haven't they been getting other people ready to be tardigrade stand-ins, why the fuck would you have the one person with full understanding of the spore drive be the only person doing this critical and apparently dangerous thing, without any monitoring, no less.
-some day all this new tech they've developed can go to exploring strange new worlds and seeking out new civilizations instead of war
-Let me guess, he's gonna pick Burnham for the Klingon field trip
-b/c 10 seconds of seeing the bridge in the middle of a fight gives her irreplaceable knowledge, it's just logical
-Uh-oh, PTSD rears its head. I feel like it'd have been better storytelling if we'd at least been getting some hints previously instead of totally stable and healthy enough to happily play counselor to other people who haven't been being tortured, and then immediately short-circuiting as soon as triggered. Also, kind of disappointed if it means he's not got something going on with being a spy or anything, his introduction was just too convenient.
-pretty badass fight with the Klingon
-one more jump? Stamets is totally gonna die
-talking about the happy things he's going to do when all this is over, come on, man, you're signing your death warrant here!
-yay, not quite dead!
-Lost in another dimension or something is a fucking awesome place to start next season (half-season? whatever)
I thought Tyler asking J'Rell what she did to him was just confronting her for the trauma he's experiencing, but I think/hope you're right that it's some kind of control thing, Bomaye
A lot of things on this show feel like they decided what dramatic things they want to see and then just kind of throw in thin excuses to make it happen, and it still doesn't feel 100% Star Trekky to me, but I'm still enjoying it and pretty excited for next season-half! Fingers crossed for lots of boldly going!
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by bomaye Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:25 am
Enail wrote:S1E8 &9
- Spoiler:
-why haven't they been getting other people ready to be tardigrade stand-ins, why the fuck would you have the one person with full understanding of the spore drive be the only person doing this critical and apparently dangerous thing, without any monitoring, no less.
- Spoiler:
Genetic manipulation is illegal because of Khan
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Enail Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:21 pm
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- Because this crew is all about rules
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by bomaye Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:01 am
S1 E10
- Spoiler:
- Mirror Universe already, whoa, they actually did go there. They're really bowing their load early. Lorca should get along just fine here.
- I like how the only guy apparently qualified to pilot a salvage pod is the head of security
- Yep, Tyler was either radicalized/brainwashed, or he's an altered Klingon (though a routine medical check should've already found it, the guy they found in the TOS Tribbles episode didn't even get past a basic tricorder scan )
- They switched places with Mirror Discovery, thatttt's not good
- "This is my chief engineer." The fucking accent
- I wonder if Stamets and Mirror Stamets switched places or are somehow mentally connected now. He did called Tilly "Captain" during the previous half of the season when he was out of it
- Take fucking notes, guys. Stay out of the Palace, whatever that means, and be careful the enemy is here (IT'S TYLER HE'S RIGHT OVER THERE, GUY)
- I think Michael just gave Tilly the Kamina speech from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. "If you don't believe in yourself, then believe in me, who believes in you, who the hell do you think we are etc."
- Jesus, Lorca, don't you watch pro wrestling? Take some Tylenol and use a razor blade, it works just as effectively to bloody yourself up
- Oh shit, there it is. They covered Tyler's Klingon alteration surgeries and removal of excess Klingon organs by saying he was tortured
- RIP DOC x_x
- That was a badass turbolift fight, and probably won't do wonders for Michael's guilt now that she murdered someone from the Shenzhou for a second time
- I wonder if Tyler's cover is gonna get blown when they run into his alternate universe Klingon self at all (because that's totally gotta happen)
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Enail Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:51 pm
- S1E10:
-MIRROR UNIVERSE!!! Eeeevil Terran Empire!
-why the fuck are they sending Tyler on his own after that PTSD episode?? Why are they sending him specifically at all??
-Faceless emperor? Come on, that's such a dumbass sci fi trope, real emperors put their faces on everything! Also, I'm putting my bet in now, Captain Georgiou's going to be the emperor
-I understand now, it wasn't that Troi was useless, it was that everyone on TNG was too damn well-adjusted, she'd have tons to do on this ship! Tons!
-I-is Lorca impersonating Scotty??
-So Stamets is an oracle now, I guess. And I bet no one's going to think of his warnings when they decide to infiltrate the faceless emperor's palace
-Oh, look they killed one of the gay couple, how original, I was wondering when that would happen
But also, holy fuck, he's a fucking Klingon with a personality overlay, that's wild! (but turning a klingon into a human seems way harder than just brainwashing a human) But also, at first what I understood from that explanation was that the big reveal was that he used to be taller
-"I'd cut your tongue out and use it to lick my boots." The other captain totally looks like he's into it
-Burnham kicking ass on people she already feels guilty about killing the first time
-the way Tyler asked if she understands after his speech, do you think he was actually codedly trying to tell her what's going on with him? At first I thought it was just a "he's talking about her but really he's talking about himself" thing for the drama, but when he said "do you understand" it had the tone of checking if she got his message.
-well that's nice, they're just going to have a sex break while Lorca's getting tortured in a scream tube? Jerks.
I'm enjoying that they're doing some of the Trek classic tropes instead of being so directly focused on the war plot all the time like they started out with.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Enail Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:32 pm
My wife just came up with this:
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- Tyler's the albino Klingon! L'Rell (is that her name?) was devoted to him, was going to take him to her House, known as 'deceivers,' to get new abilities, and now all of a sudden there's some unknown Klingon that she's in love with and swearing to protect? And we've heard nothing of albino Klingon for aaages. It's suspicious.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by bomaye Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:44 pm
Oh shiiiiii
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That would somewhat explain why they took such care to completely alter his features whereas the undercover Klingon in TOS was left Klingon internally.
But would also indicate that the Albino was never meant to return to being Klingon?
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Enail Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:52 pm
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- Maybe they can remove the scar tissue and put the organs back in?
Or maybe they figure it won't really matter once he's destroyed humanity.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by bomaye Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:20 am
S1E11
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- Slave Saru
- Hrm, I wonder if Evil Sarek realized that Burnham was from an alternate universe.
- The hints were there when Tyler started backing away from Voq and then attacked him when Burnham was doing all the things, but disguised with the idea that maybe it was just him being freaked out by Klingons
- I thought it was kinda corny how the whole "I love you but ttyl, my brain's going funky" thing went down, but Tyler turning into Voq and speaking Klingon and saying Kahless like Kay-lesh was pretty cool shit
- Part of me wondered if Burnham actually was executing him or if she was secretly hoping he died (out in the abyss, which Tyler said he was scared shitless of as a cadet)
- Part of me also wondered if Stamets was being written off the show because Anthony Rapp outed Kevin Spacey as a sexual assaulter and this was Hollywood doing their thing but it looks like he's sticking around a little longer
- Ha, you called it, Captain Georgiou's the Emperor.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Enail Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:17 am
E11
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-whyyyy don't they think a doctor would be useful for reviving Stamets? Interdisciplinary collaboration, Tilly! Also, why is Saru participating in this? AFAIK he didn't even have anything to do with the spore project, while there were all kind of other people we saw in the background working on it who would probably have more to contribute, plus he's kind of the senior officer on board, who might be needed for senior officer stuff while they're in a hostile universe
-Sarek! I thought it was going to be Spock at first, I thought Sarek had grey hair in the last bit we saw him in the regular universe.
-Ohshit, he is Voq!
-I found it weird that when she's confronting Tyler, she didn't seem to think the fact that he was speaking fluent Klingon was important to what went down on the planet. Like, that's waaaaay different from "maybe he has PTSD", that should have stood out right up front. But to be fair, things are moving pretty fast here.
-When did she get the chance to warn Saru to beam Tyler out of space and imprison him? Do you think she's got Mirror-Saru helping her now?
-See, doctors! Though, they kind of don't seem to have much to offer other than space-defrib, so maybe Tilly just figured they're not on her level and wouldn't be worth the time
-I was figuring Mirror Stamets would show up. Maybe they can find Mirror Doctor too and kidnap him for their universe! Their other doctors seem pretty crappy.
-Knew it, Emperor Georgiou! (my wife's prediction blew mine out of the water, though)
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Werel Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:53 pm
Watched it all over the weekend, so mostly brief catch-up thoughts:
Also
Things I want to see if this show ever gets its sea legs:
- e3-9:
Got a little better after the pilot, thank goodness. Really don’t think the first two episodes were necessary or useful at all, wish they hadn’t happened, but now to the meat of the thing.
-I was familiar with some of IRL Paul Stamets’ ideas before this show and had no idea he was featured so prominently, so that’s cool I guess? I like them deciding to go biological instead of pure inorganic tech for the drive, it’s way more compelling.
-Also I like the dude playing Stamets, he’s doing a pretty good Paul Stamets impression and he’s pretty charismatic.
-Hey what the hell is up with that robot on the bridge who never talks? She better be some kind of species that’s got a lot of implants and not some weird canon-breaking android.
-Loved the giant water bear. At least for the first few episodes this show had some spot-on contemporary science fiction concepts, before it had to go back to being a mashup of Homeland and new Star Wars.
-WTFed at Saru nonchalantly deciding to torture a potentially sentient being, he should know better. But his struggles and self-doubt over his fitness for command are one of the more compelling parts of the show, if they’d give it some room to develop.
-I groaned every time Klingons came on screen because I do not care at all about that plot. Tempted to fast forward through all the boring-ass Klingon scenes. Including the weird Klingon tits during rape flashbacks because that’s Star Trek now.
-Ridiculous writing that Stamets is the only dude who did the tardigrade gene splice. Lorca should have every cadet injected with that shit. Backups.
-Vulcan suicide bomber was… cool?
-I don’t hate the Sarek backstory stuff, but.. it’s… weird that Spock never said anything about having a human sister… who’s like his same age… ah whatever
This made me actually lol.“bomaye” wrote:BTW with all this Katra business, Sarek and Burnham have tickled each other and then Sarek tickled Picard later on, meaning there's a part of Burnham that tickled Picard in the future too, and they all tickled Spock together after Sarek died.
-Time loop episode was one of the first ones that felt really Trek-y, even though it was just a lifted plot from TNG. I’ll take anything, steal from other Treks all you want
-Why did Mudd have an Andorian space suit with no gloves though? Wouldn’t… his hands get digested up.. by that space whale’s belly?
-Also I actually really enjoyed the loops where they spent the whole time dancing and having heart-to-hearts. You gotta take a break from watching everyone be murdered on iteration 5,239 and just have a nice Moment.
-Enjoyed the plant planet episode, wish they’d tied it in more overtly with the mycelial network (like, that was literally a spore being, maybe they could’ve worked with it to make that spore drive 10000% better?), and wish Saru’s motives and viewpoints had been given some more room to breathe. “First time I ever didn’t feel fear” is a pretty great piece of Trek end-of-episode poignancy. More of that, please.
-Snooooooze on the Klingon action episode. Glad to have the stupid Ship of the Dead out of the way, maybe that’ll mean less boooooring Klingon screen-time
-I kind of agree that Stamets and Doc’s chemistry isn’t sizzling, but I was still sad when he was making clearly-preparing-to-die words about going to the opera.
- e10-11:
-Thank God it was the actual mirror universe they ended up in. When Stamets and Lorca were talking about the mycelial network extending to “multiple dimensions” I was afraid they were going to push the Abrams multiple-timelines thing. No! My Star Trek has two universes and that’s it, damnit!
-Pretty sad when Doc got killed. I liked him.
-Enail, your wife has good spidey-sense. I kinda figured Tyler was Voq when they met him in prison and he said he was “a favorite” of L’Rell, immediately went to “that’s a good cover for long private meetings where they can plot together.” Didn’t think it’d be a brainwashing/Tuvix situation though, I just kept thinking “god DAMN he had some good speech/culture coaches for acting like a human”
-But that raises the question, if it IS an actual POW dude’s consciousness overlaid on the Voq brain, does he have rights? Can they be justified in killing the Voq part of the brain to save a Starfleet officer’s consciousness? Will they just stick Tyler’s consciousness in a computer like they did that one time on TNG?
Yeeeeeahhhh, that was pretty plot-hole-y“Enail” wrote:-When did she get the chance to warn Saru to beam Tyler out of space and imprison him? Do you think she's got Mirror-Saru helping her now?
-Assuming Tilly is going to be seriously changed by her time as Capt. Killy, the confidence was Inside Her All Along
-Wow never saw it coming that the emperor would be Geieoeurugioeu
-And she’s straight up dressed like the God-Emperor of Mankind from Warhammer 40k
Scream tube“Enail” wrote:well that's nice, they're just going to have a sex break while Lorca's getting tortured in a scream tube?
- e12:
-Guys, he said stay out of the Palace
-The first half of this felt like an episode of Enterprise, and not in a good way. That throne room set? Woof. What happened to the huge budget.
-And… “I’m gonna publicly praise you and invite you to my room for supper and feed you with my own hands because I knew all along that you’d fatally betrayed me so now I’m going to re-gather the same dudes I praised you in front of earlier today in order to execute you.” That… makes… sense
-Did get a surprise-laugh out of To Serve Kelpian.
-The bit where Doc has to break the news to Stamets that he’s dead had me tearing up. Not that Stamets isn’t the luckiest bereaved ever, but
-Hey, uh, if Mirror Lorca was so in(cest) love with Burnham that he somehow went to the Starfleet universe to get a replacement for her, why.. did.. he kill her in the first place…?
-Can’t turn him back into a Klingon (good call y’all), can’t imagine L’Rell would accept wiping the Voq part of the brain, they probably won’t let her wipe the Tyler part of the brain, soooo I smell some convoluted mind-meld solution coming up
-Whoooo Anthony Rapp gets to ham it up being Bad for the next few episodes!
Also
Werel wrote:
- e1&2:
- e12:
- Thank GOD that was actually partly true, it was depressing to have an outright Bad Man Captain for no apparent reason. Wonder if anyone else has been a switcheroo all along.
Things I want to see if this show ever gets its sea legs:
- Spoiler:
-Truth & reconciliation episode with predator species on Saru’s world PLEASE
-Medical ethics episode about putting Tyler’s brain in some comatose body or making him a spore-being or something.
-Stamets going off the deep end & spending all his time in the mycelial network looking for Doc, a Very Sad Reggie Barclay episode.
-Non-Mirror Lorca psychological rehab episode to help reacclimate him to Starfleet values, if he’s not dead. Please remind the viewer that Starfleet values exist and matter in this show about Starfleer.
-Some more contained episodes that aren’t working so hard to advance a larger narrative arc, just give us some slice-of-life/character development stuff please.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by bomaye Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:55 pm
E12
- Spoiler:
- Guys, Stamets said not to go to the Palace, why are you going to the Palace
- Mother of the Fatherland, nice
- And they still retain the Roman Empire naming style
- "Dear Daughter" Let's just pour the guilt and agony on Burnham
- Whoops, Mirror Burnham was in on the coup too
- RIP, Imperial Court, we knew ye not at all
- That procedure seems way, way beyond Klingon technology
- Noooot a great trade
- How did that guy's remains splatter over the scream tube but not the guy who injected him
- ... No fucking way.
- Oh shit, no fucking way
- HOLY SHIT LORCA
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Enail Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:00 pm
- E12:
-Oh jeez, she was choosing her dinner, this is the worst thing to happen on Star Trek ever
-Guilt, guilt, guilt
-is Mirror Stamets evil?
-The doctor's goodbye was pretty sad
-And yep, Mirror Stamets is evil
-Lorca, what the fuck/ewwww
-I thought L'Rell was possibly killing the Voq side to free him, it looked like she was doing that Klingon death scream
Too much trying to having shockinger after shockinger twists, the 'Tyler's a Klingon' was pretty out there but there was enough leadup that I was willing to go along with it, but this Lorca thing feels kind of ridiculous and out of nowhere and just...too much. And why would humans in this universe be more light-sensitive, it's too random, it feels like a retroactive solution rather than a cleverly planted clue. I dunno, guys, this show's really teetering on the edge of jumping the shark.
Also, yes please to Starfleet values.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Enail Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:54 am
Apparently, they're planning on making next season a little more low-key, episodic Star-Trekky. That'd be nice, if they haven't lost my interest by then.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by bomaye Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:52 pm
I don't think they have a strong enough cast to do that
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Werel Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:36 pm
I'd watch Saru-Stamets-Burnham-Lorca buddy Trek if the writers could handle it and they slotted Burnham into a DS9-Worf "the joke is that she takes herself seriously" role.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Enail Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:05 pm
I could go for that. And they could start fleshing out some of the other bridge crew a bit, too.
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by Enail Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:52 pm
E13
I think it's gotten beyond Star Wars at this point
I think it's gotten beyond Star Wars at this point
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The more I think about it, the more disappointed I am about the Lorca plot twist and basically everything they've been doing, what it means for all that stuff I was concerned about the Star Trekkiness or lack thereof. I felt like the thematic stuff, what they had to say about the role of Starfleet values, the place of hope, in dark times, if they were telling that story at all, they were telling it in large part through Lorca and his acting as foil for the others; the captain harnessing a bunch of bright-eyed scientists to win a war and maybe just advance his own goals, there were some strands of a theme there about the balance of pragmatics and idealism, about how you walk that knife-edge and how far you can go into the shady end of things and still come back Starfleet.
And then they just completely wiped out the shades of grey and yanked him out of that storyline and said "oh wait, no, he's an evil mastermind from the mirror universe (and in love with Burnham in spite of no particular need for it in the story and absolutely zero hints of it in his previous interactions with her), a black-and-white character for dramatic soap-opera hijinks in a totally black-and-white mirror universe and the white hat crew rallying to save the universe and zip triumphantly home. I'm not too sure the writers ever did realize or care that they're not telling a very Star Trek story, let alone that that was just the first part of taking a new and thoughtful take on what Star Trek means.
Also, for a show that had a pretty small cast of named characters to begin with, they're sure getting rid of people freely. But throwing Lorca into their Evil Spore Drive thingy means they can bring him back in any way they please, as often as they like. And we might get some pretty fun hijinks out of rehabilitating an eeeevil ex-emperor
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Re: Star Trek: Discovery
by bomaye Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:01 pm
E14
- Spoiler:
- For a sec there, the screen said "USS Disco" and I thought we were gonna cut to another lame Starfleet party
- FUCK I want to grab whoever's running this show and tell them that inter-ship beaming is considered dangerous and rarely used except in emergencies. They're just popping people in and out like nothing
- Sure, an Admiral would fire off a phaser set to kill to dissolve something in anger in a room full of people
- Oh hey, we've losing a war and here we've got a Terran Empress who's used to putting the Klingons in their place
- The resemblance is remarkable. It's like no one's ever seen identical twins before
- Legit I was about to start hating on Detmer (the female officer with those robot implants on her face). Every other shot of her is her just giving a silent judgmental look at everyone and every thing. Her mirror counterpart had more characterization.
- Uh-oh, Space-Dad and Alternate Universe Space-Mom are fighting
- I like how everyone's panicking about losing the war and I'm just like "Kirk is alive at this point, you're gonna be fine, guys"
- High-speed space farming
- The whole scene between Burnham and Tyler was the again one of the most Millennnial-trash things I've ever seen. Tyler comes at her with a guilt-trip and "well are your friends are cool with it" and then lame shit about how they were in love with each other after like three weeks together and how she was the reason he didn't go full Voq even though it was an experimental prototype procedure and then Michael goes "It's not easy letting you go" and then she's power-walking like a man out the door a moment later as if her body language was saying "It was easy as FUCK, check this hot shit out"
- Maybe it'll be the running gag of the show that evil people keep getting to be Captain of the Discovery.
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